Last week covered how it all started. This week, Dwayne and Heather brought it home.
Episode 11 got a little ranty. Okay, a lot ranty.
Dwayne and Heather took a break from nostalgia and aimed straight at life in 2026. They started with the big one: whatever happened to trying? The generation that learned computers from a blinking cursor and programmed VCRs by sheer stubbornness wondered why so many people give up the second something doesn’t work. (Heather also confessed she married a computer geek so her stuff would just work.)
From there, nothing was safe. They took on the collapse of basic etiquette, including forgotten introductions, speakerphone calls in public, beach Bluetooth speakers, and nobody giving up a seat on the train. They went after brand-name snobbery (Aldi fans, stand up), headline-only experts who argue about articles they never opened, and the slow death of spelling and grammar. And yes, the “K” versus “potassium” debate came up.
They also asked why people yell at actors for what their characters did, whether kids can be kids while still respecting the adults around them, and what happens to creativity when nobody can stand being bored anymore. (German playgrounds got an honorable mention.) They closed with the one that tied it all together: people don’t read carefully anymore, and nuance is paying the price.
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Untitled – September 27, 2026
00:00:00 Dwayne: Welcome back to whatever. I’m Dwayne
00:00:01 Heather: and I’m Heather. And today we’re doing something we’ve been talking about for a while now. It’s a little bit different, but we think you’ll enjoy it. Today we’re talking about some of the things that get under our skin as Gen X adults living in twenty twenty six, pet peeves, rants and raves, the stuff that makes you wonder what happened to basic human decency. And it’s gonna get a little ranty.
00:00:25 Dwayne: But before we get into all that, we’d like to remind you to subscribe so you never miss an episode. And if you’d like to support the show, there’s plenty of info on our website. You’ll find links to all that in the show notes or at whatever dot com. Yeah. So let’s just get into it, shall we?
00:00:40 Heather: Sure. Whatever.
00:00:42 Dwayne: First up, whatever happened to Trying? So what I mean by this is kids don’t try anymore. They don’t experiment. They don’t tinker.
00:00:52 Heather: They don’t try to figure things out.
00:00:53 Dwayne: Right. Everything has to be taught explicitly, step by step. And if something doesn’t work on the first try, they’re done.
00:01:00 Heather: Or they ridicule.
00:01:01 Dwayne: It. Yeah. If they don’t understand something, instead of being curious about it, they just, I don’t know, mock it. That’s stupid. That doesn’t work. Move on.
00:01:09 Heather: I watched a kid try to use a new thing once. I won’t say what it was, but it didn’t work immediately. And instead of trying a different approach, they just said this is broken and gave up. It didn’t even occur to them to troubleshoot it.
00:01:22 Dwayne: Right? We grew up having.
00:01:23 Dwayne: To figure things out. My first computer didn’t come with instructions. You had to read the manual.
00:01:29 Heather: Wait! You actually read a manual?
00:01:31 Dwayne: I did, I did. Well, you had to experiment. Hell, I had to learn how to write computer programs to make that thing do anything other than give me a blinking cursor. You had to try things and see what happened.
00:01:42 Heather: What about VCRs? Those things were impossible to set up.
00:01:47 Dwayne: Well, not impossible, but certainly not easy. You had to read the instructions. You had to problem solve. And if you couldn’t figure it out, you ask someone, but you still tried. And you usually didn’t stop trying until you figured it out.
00:01:59 Heather: And now kids expect everything to work instantly, so if it doesn’t, it’s broken or it’s stupid.
00:02:06 Dwayne: Yeah. There’s like no curiosity. No. I wonder what happens if no trial and error, just immediate dismissal.
00:02:13 Heather: I think it’s because they’ve grown up with everything being so intuitive apps, touch screens, everything’s designed to be frictionless. So when something requires actual effort to understand, they just reject it.
00:02:27 Dwayne: But you learn by doing stuff.
00:02:28 Heather: But I blame Apple for this because they’ve made our computers where you just plug them in and they work.
00:02:36 Dwayne: Everything just works.
00:02:37 Heather: No thinking required. And to this day, I just want my shit to work. And that’s why I married a computer geek. He does my bidding.
00:02:44 Dwayne: I learned by breaking things and then fixing them, by trying something that doesn’t work and adjusting. That’s just how you develop problem solving skills.
00:02:53 Heather: And now?
00:02:54 Dwayne: And now they’re going to be adults who can’t troubleshoot anything, can’t figure out how things work, who just. I don’t know, panic and I’ve seen that.
00:03:01 Heather: Or worse, they’ll ridicule anyone who does know things about how things work. Like that’s old. That’s not how we do it now. But let’s remember, there’s always more than one way to solve a problem.
00:03:13 Dwayne: I’ve actually had younger folks make fun of me for knowing how to change the oil in a car, like I was from the past, and ignorant for not paying someone else to do it. That’s a skill and a really basic one at that. That’s knowing how your stuff works.
00:03:26 Heather: And it matters. I didn’t realize how easy it is to change oil until just last weekend.
00:03:31 Dwayne: Right?
00:03:32 Heather: Understanding the systems around you, how technology works, how basic repairs work. That’s independence.
00:03:39 Dwayne: And we’re raising a generation that really has none of it. Everything’s handed to them. And if it breaks, you just throw it away. It’s disposable. You get a new one.
00:03:47 Heather: And we’re kind of to blame for that. Yeah. You know.
00:03:52 Dwayne: Well, we like our things to be easy.
00:03:54 Heather: True. Instead of trying to fix it.
00:03:57 Dwayne: Instead of trying, period, We just want something new. Okay, moving on, let’s talk about the complete and utter lack of etiquette in society in general. Let’s talk about introducing people. You know how to do this, right? You’re with someone, you see a friend, you introduce them to each other.
00:04:19 Heather: Well, you’d think you would do that.
00:04:21 Dwayne: Person A walks up, you say, hey, this is my friend and you give her your name and you don’t leave her standing there like a ghost. You don’t ignore her. You include her in the conversation.
00:04:31 Heather: What about Speakerphones in public? I hate that, and they’re never quiet about it. Like, let’s let the entire store know your business.
00:04:39 Dwayne: Oh, man, you’re in a coffee shop. Someone’s on speakerphone having a full conversation loudly, like they’re alone in their house.
00:04:46 Heather: Zero awareness and zero shame.
00:04:48 Dwayne: Or you’re at the beach or on the subway and people have to blast their Bluetooth speakers. Like, I really didn’t come out to the beach to hear Morgan Wallen.
00:04:58 Heather: Or just basic consideration. If you’re old and can’t hold the phone to your ear. Fine. I totally get that. But these are people just choosing to broadcast their conversations to everyone around them.
00:05:11 Dwayne: Now, speaking of older folks, elderly person gets on a bus. There’s no seats left. You stand up, you give up your seat. Pregnant woman gets on. Same thing. You don’t make him ask. You don’t sit there wondering if they need it.
00:05:24 Heather: I remember just a couple weeks ago, we were on the train and saw the exact same thing. An old witch. It was kind of irritating because the older man sat down and left his wife standing in the aisle.
00:05:38 Dwayne: Yeah.
00:05:40 Heather: So when was the last time you saw that happen?
00:05:42 Speaker 4: Oh God, I. Besides that.
00:05:43 Dwayne: Hardly ever in the US in the last five to ten years for certain.
00:05:48 Heather: Yeah, we’ve lost it. The basic understanding that other people exist and sometimes their comfort matters more than your own comfort.
00:05:56 Dwayne: It’s like there’s no social glue anymore. We’re all strangers living on top of each other and acting like we’re alone.
00:06:06 Heather: Okay, let’s move on. Here’s one that drives me nuts. People who insist on brand name everything and treat it like a personality trait.
00:06:15 Speaker 4: What do you mean?
00:06:16 Heather: They’ll spend three times as much money simply for a brand name when the generic version is the exact same product. And when you mention that they get defensive about it like you’ve insulted their entire character.
00:06:30 Speaker 4: Like.
00:06:31 Dwayne: It’s become an identity thing.
00:06:32 Heather: Completely. It used to be that you bought what was good. Now you buy what signals something about who you are. And God forbid you use a different brand. Suddenly your lower class or you don’t understand quality. Or even worse, you dare shop at someplace like Aldi, where ninety percent of the goods are their store brand and not some name brand. I’ve literally had people tell me it’s garbage when I personally prefer it. There’s nothing wrong with saving a little money. And if you don’t think it’s all made in the same factory with just different labels put on it. No, I don’t know what to tell you.
00:07:11 Dwayne: It’s exhausting.
00:07:13 Heather: It is. I think this started with advertising. We grew up with MTV and marketing that was designed to make us feel like brands are cool. Saturday morning morning cartoons were filled with commercials for toys that did not work. The way they were shown on TV.
00:07:31 Dwayne: Never did, never did.
00:07:32 Heather: At some point, I think we were supposed to get past that, recognize it for what it was. But people haven’t. They’ve just gone deeper with it.
00:07:41 Dwayne: And with social media influencers, everything. They’ll do their best to recruit you into their brand loyalty. You buy something different and they need to explain why you’re wrong.
00:07:51 Heather: You’re not wrong. You just bought a different thing. And that’s allowed and perfectly acceptable.
00:08:00 Dwayne: You’re right, this has gotten kind of ranty. But anyway, have you noticed that social media has turned everyone into an expert on everything?
00:08:09 Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:08:09 Heather: And a lot of people don’t do any research and quite frankly, don’t know how.
00:08:14 Speaker 4: To.
00:08:14 Heather: Do simple research.
00:08:15 Dwayne: Someone reads a headline, doesn’t click the article, doesn’t fact check immediately, has an opinion, strong opinions, and they’ll argue with you about it even when you show them they’re wrong. Sometimes by having them read the article that was linked there.
00:08:30 Heather: And then they’ll start backpedaling real quick.
00:08:32 Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
00:08:33 Heather: And when you prove them wrong, they just move the goalposts. Yep. It’s like, well, that’s what I heard. Or I’m just saying what I think.
00:08:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn’t.
00:08:41 Dwayne: Think you reacted to a headline and you showed us all how you.
00:08:44 Speaker 4: Feel.
00:08:45 Heather: Yeah. And okay, well, those are opinions, not facts.
00:08:48 Speaker 4: Yep.
00:08:49 Heather: It’s like people think opinions are facts these days.
00:08:53 Dwayne: That’s kind of what they’ve been taught by the media.
00:08:55 Heather: Old media does this too, by the way. This isn’t just TikTok or Twitter. Cable news has been doing this for like thirty years. They just make it sound more official because, well, it’s on cable news.
00:09:07 Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:09:08 Dwayne: The difference is the old media at least had some editorial standards. Sometimes. Occasionally. Now it’s the Wild West. Everyone’s publishing everything. Nobody fact checks their own stuff before they hit send.
00:09:20 Heather: Either I’ll see someone share a story about something that’s clearly wrong, and I’ll ask him, did you check this or even consider that? And they’ll say, no, but and I’m like, why do you have an opinion about something you didn’t even bother to verify?
00:09:35 Speaker 4: Well, because it feels.
00:09:37 Dwayne: True to them. It confirms what they already believe. The research part that’s extra. And ain’t nobody got time for that.
00:09:43 Heather: For real? I spent twenty minutes the other day looking up something that seemed off in a post that someone had shared. Turned out the whole thing was from a satire website.
00:09:52 Speaker 4: Oh God.
00:09:53 Heather: Yeah, the person had just shared it as straight fact. And when I pointed that out, they just said, oh, well, it should be true.
00:10:00 Speaker 4: It should be true. So just believe it.
00:10:03 Heather: Just because you think it should be true doesn’t mean it is true.
00:10:06 Speaker 4: Exactly.
00:10:07 Dwayne: That’s really the core problem. People aren’t interested in what’s really true. They’re interested in what’s useful to their worldview. Truth is secondary.
00:10:17 Heather: Okay, we need to move on. Because my blood pressure is rising and it’s out of control. We said we weren’t going to get political. Yet here we are.
00:10:27 Speaker 4: Here we are.
00:10:28 Heather: Here we are.
00:10:32 Dwayne: Okay, I’m going to say something that’s going to sound elitist and I don’t care. But here goes. Words mean things and spelling and grammar matter.
00:10:43 Heather: Oh, Lord, here we go.
00:10:44 Dwayne: No, wait. Not for snobbish reasons, because it’s like the foundation of communication. You can’t think clearly if you can’t write clearly.
00:10:53 Heather: Yeah, I’m actually going to agree because you can’t write clearly if you don’t know or understand the rules.
00:10:59 Dwayne: We grew up being taught how to spell, how to punctuate. It mattered in school. Now nobody cares. People write like they’re texting their mom.
00:11:07 Heather: You are. Instead of y o u apostrophe r e t h e I r when they mean t h e r e. These aren’t small mistakes. They mean completely different things. And it’s a breakdown in the basic infrastructure of communication. I will not like a post if you can not use grammar correctly.
00:11:30 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely.
00:11:31 Dwayne: I see it in emails from professionals. I see it on resumes, things that are supposed to make a good impression, and they’re full of errors. Things that would have given you a C in tenth grade, right?
00:11:41 Heather: It’s all laziness. Which brings us back to whatever happened to trying?
00:11:45 Speaker 4: Exactly.
00:11:46 Dwayne: If you’re writing something, take two seconds to proofread. Make sure you know the difference between it’s and I t apostrophe s is that if you start your sentence with I seen, I’m going to immediately know it’s not the inside of a book.
00:12:02 Heather: For real. For real. The argument I always hear is, you know what I mean? Yeah, fine, I did, I get it, I know what you mean. But that doesn’t mean you should have written it that way. Hell, our kids don’t even like it when we type. Oh, okay. It must be written. Okay. A why? Why? And what if you hit them with a K? You’ll get a response, a potassium.
00:12:28 Dwayne: Uh, it’s just it’s really, it’s just that same laziness we’re seeing everywhere. Everywhere else. Do the minimum. Don’t put in the effort. Just hope people figure it out. It is no way to go through life. No. People get mad about fictional characters now.
00:12:47 Heather: Oh, man.
00:12:47 Dwayne: Someone on television does something morally questionable and people write angry tweets at the actor, not the show. The actor.
00:12:56 Heather: As if the actor is actually the character.
00:13:00 Dwayne: As if the actor personally wronged them. There’s no separation. It’s all collapsed into one thing.
00:13:06 Heather: And it goes way beyond that. People get triggered by plot points like, I can’t believe the show did that. As if a show, a fictional story with actors, owes them anything. Sitcoms from the nineties get judged like they were written for audiences today. What? It’s annoying.
00:13:26 Dwayne: The outrage is ridiculous. It’s. It’s for other people to see, too. Look how offended I am. Look how much I care about this issue. But they only care because something happened on a TV show.
00:13:36 Heather: Right? It’s. It doesn’t even matter. I had someone get upset with me because a character in a book I mentioned was doing something they didn’t approve of, not me as a character.
00:13:47 Dwayne: And they wanted you to what? Denounce the book. Apologize.
00:13:50 Heather: Yeah, yeah. Basically. Yeah. People just cannot separate fiction from nonfiction anymore.
00:13:56 Dwayne: That’s the world now. You can’t like something without endorsing every single aspect of it. You can’t watch a TV show with a villain without people thinking you support villainy. You can’t listen to an artist without thinking that how they feel about a particular part of the world is an endorsement of exactly. That’s how you feel too, right?
00:14:16 Heather: Can’t we just enjoy a movie simply for enjoying a movie, or enjoying a book, or enjoying a music?
00:14:24 Dwayne: It is so exhausting. And you know, here’s the thing Gen X should know better. We grew up with war movies where people died, action films where heroes did morally ambiguous things. We understood that stories aren’t documentaries. Fiction explores ideas, sometimes really dark ideas.
00:14:43 Heather: Yeah. And we got that fiction was a place to work through stuff, right?
00:14:47 Dwayne: Now everyone’s treating stories like they’re endorsements. If you engage with a story, you’re personally responsible for defending every choice in it.
00:14:55 Heather: I think it comes from people not having anything else to do. Maybe they’re bored. They see something online that upsets them, and now they suddenly have a purpose in life. They’re fighting the good fight against a TV show.
00:15:13 Dwayne: Okay, let’s move on.
00:15:15 Heather: Let’s.
00:15:16 Dwayne: Can we just let kids be kids, but also provide some communal parenting and order? This is a complicated one because there’s two sides to it, and they’re both true.
00:15:27 Heather: And it’s a very, very fine line. So side one, you’ve got kids need to be kids. We were left to do things on our own for hours at a time as young kids and teens. And we very seldom had a formal structure to things around us. We just did what we wanted, right?
00:15:46 Dwayne: Kids need to play to get bored, to figure out things, to mimic things, to run around and scrape their knees and learn that the world doesn’t end if they do.
00:15:55 Heather: And to have an imagination.
00:15:56 Dwayne: Yeah.
00:15:57 Heather: But then there’s the other side. Kids hanging out in public spaces have to respect other people.
00:16:04 Dwayne: Yeah. You can’t just let your kids run wild through the grocery store while you shop. You can’t have them screaming in a restaurant that affects everyone else.
00:16:12 Heather: Yeah. And I see parents now who seem terrified of their kids being around other adults at all. Like we’re all pedophiles.
00:16:19 Dwayne: Yeah, it swung too far the other way. You know, kids used to be able to congregate. A group of teenagers could hang out on a street corner or in a parking lot, and adults would tell them to move along if they got rowdy. But now, if a group of kids gathers anywhere. Yeah, people just assume the worst and call the cops.
00:16:35 Heather: Yeah. There’s just no space for kids to be just kids.
00:16:38 Dwayne: Yeah. I think it’s because the older generations, ours included, didn’t have the tools to just let things be. We were raised on on Stranger Danger and a lot of media influence, especially once the twenty four hour news cycles hit. We think today Every gathering of youth is either a gang or a predator situation.
00:16:59 Heather: But also, I mean, some of it’s kind of valid. Kids today are meaner because they can be anonymous and they have hardly ever to face any consequences. True, there’s cyber bullying, which is a huge issue. Yeah. But there’s also a lot more stuff to worry about.
00:17:18 Dwayne: Yeah there is, but we’ve swung from one extreme to another. We’re now the generation that hovers that micromanages their kids every interaction.
00:17:27 Heather: I don’t know how we swung that far away.
00:17:30 Dwayne: I have no clue.
00:17:31 Heather: We did this to ourselves. Our generation is to blame. And now those kids grow up not knowing how to handle boredom. Yeah. Not knowing how to resolve conflict with peers. Not knowing how to just exist with other people.
00:17:46 Dwayne: Playgrounds are another example. We’ve made them so safe, so monitored that they’re almost boring. No kids going to get hurt, but they’re also not learning anything by taking risks, not figuring things out like what they should and should not do.
00:18:01 Heather: Kind of like the German ones where they’re meant for you to get hurt.
00:18:07 Dwayne: It seems like it.
00:18:08 Heather: Let the kids go and break an arm or leg. It’s fine. They’ll be fine.
00:18:12 Dwayne: They learn from that.
00:18:13 Heather: They do.
00:18:14 Dwayne: You don’t jump from really high things.
00:18:15 Heather: We did too.
00:18:17 Dwayne: Absolutely.
00:18:17 Heather: We absolutely learned from that. And disrespect. Some kids are really disrespectful to adults now because no one’s ever told them not to be.
00:18:27 Dwayne: This is true. I was always around adults as a kid a lot, but I was terrified of them. Not in a traumatized way. Right? I was just aware that if I was rude, there would be consequences, right? Not violence, just social consequences. Other adults would say something. My parents would hear about it. Now nothing happens and the parents are going to take your side anyway, right?
00:18:48 Heather: I was terrified of being called to the principal’s office or just getting in trouble in general.
00:18:54 Speaker 5: Uh, yeah.
00:18:55 Heather: But now some of these kids are running the show and their parents are just letting it happen.
00:19:00 Dwayne: There was when I was a kid, if I got called to the principal’s office, there was never even the thought for a millisecond that my parents would go in there and tell the principal that they were wrong.
00:19:12 Heather: Oh, no.
00:19:13 Dwayne: It was always fully understood that I was wrong. And what the principal said was.
00:19:18 Heather: And now if the kid gets called to the principal’s office, the parents are like, oh, my kid can never do any wrong. It wasn’t them. It couldn’t be them. My kid’s an angel. Yeah. Sorry. Your kid’s a devil. But is that dangerous? Or is it independence?
00:19:33 Dwayne: Yeah, I don’t know anymore. I mean, we can’t really figure out where that line is. Like you said, it’s really fine. So we either micromanage everything or we let them roam free like wildcats.
00:19:42 Heather: There’s got to be a there’s got to be a middle ground between those two.
00:19:45 Dwayne: Yeah, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Kids need structure and freedom. They. They need to be protected. But they also need to be allowed to make mistakes. We’ve just kind of lost the ability to calibrate that. We mentioned allowing kids to be bored. Here’s what I think is happening. Kids today, people today can’t handle boredom anymore.
00:20:09 Heather: They need constant stimulation.
00:20:11 Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:20:12 Dwayne: And so you’re either on their phones or they’re acting out to get a get attention. There’s like no middle ground of just being bored and working through it.
00:20:20 Heather: I mean, I’ve, I’ve caught myself doing that, you know, just doom scrolling on the phone. And it’s.
00:20:25 Speaker 5: Because we have.
00:20:26 Heather: Hours doing it. And I’m like, oh my God, why am I why? Yeah, what? What am I doing? Gotta do something else. But boredom also, you know, it used to be where creativity came from.
00:20:38 Speaker 5: Exactly.
00:20:39 Dwayne: You’re bored, so you figure out something to do. You build something, you read a book, you get into trouble, but you learned from it.
00:20:48 Heather: Now we’re just doing the dreaded doom scrolling. Though I will say I’ve caught myself doing that. and it has led to more creativity recently.
00:20:59 Dwayne: Recently. Recently, because we are at that point in our lives where we’re we’ve experienced the boredom before and the goodness that can come from it and are learning to focus our attention in other places.
00:21:11 Heather: It’s kind of fun.
00:21:12 Dwayne: This podcast is kind of one of those things, right? Is what we’re not.
00:21:17 Heather: Doing it obviously, to make tons of money. We’re doing it because it’s fun.
00:21:21 Dwayne: But kids today and the younger generations today, they just scroll their feed. And if that stopped working, they feel like a need to escalate. They got to do something more dramatic, something to get that dopamine hit. And I think maybe this is why some of the meanness exists. These kids aren’t getting entertainment from normal social interactions. So they create drama. They bully someone online because it’s engaging.
00:21:41 Heather: Yeah, the bullying online is annoying, and I’ve noticed it in adults, too. People can’t just have a quiet evening anymore. Everything has to be stimulating. Everything has to be new.
00:21:52 Dwayne: Yeah, well, we created the tools that make boredom unbearable. And now we’re surprised that people can’t sit with it anymore.
00:21:58 Heather: Pharrell. Yeah.
00:22:04 Dwayne: Okay. Last one. People don’t read anymore. And I don’t mean books, though. That too. I mean, they don’t read carefully. They skim, they skim. They read headlines. They read the first sentence of an article. They see a quote taken out of context, and that becomes their entire understanding of something.
00:22:21 Heather: And we’re just making it easier for them to do that. Everything’s designed for quick consumption.
00:22:26 Dwayne: Social media, news, everything. I feel like I’m repeating myself here, that social media might be a little bit on the evil side, and that really is my opinion on it. Give me the information in a headline, a tweet, a ten second video. Don’t make me think is not a way to go through life.
00:22:41 Heather: And then people have these strong opinions based on this information that they haven’t actually processed. They’ve only processed the headline.
00:22:49 Dwayne: They haven’t actually thought about it. They’ve just reacted to it.
00:22:53 Heather: Right. I noticed this in arguments too. Now someone will make a point and instead of engaging with what they actually said, people argue with what they thought they said. Like I said earlier, or like what Duane said earlier. Words mean something. People aren’t reading carefully. They’re just firing off comments. You can’t have a conversation with that. You cannot move forward.
00:23:18 Dwayne: Because no one’s actually trying to understand. They’re just waiting for their turn to talk.
00:23:23 Heather: It’s the death of nuance, completely.
00:23:25 Dwayne: Nothing is complicated anymore. Everything’s black or white. Hero or villain. Right or wrong, there’s no space for, well, it’s complicated.
00:23:32 Heather: Because complicated requires reading and thinking and processing. And we’ve decided that takes too much effort.
00:23:40 Dwayne: There it is. We’re right back where we started. Nobody’s trying. And I don’t know how you fix that.
00:23:52 Heather: So we’ve spent about thirty minutes, basically complaining about the state of the world.
00:23:57 Dwayne: Yeah we did. And if you’ve got something to say, a rant, a rave, a hot take on whatever we talked about today, send us a voice message. Head over to our website, leave us a comment or voice message. We listen to every single one.
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00:24:38 Dwayne: New episodes drop every Friday or whenever it shows up in your app.
00:24:42 Heather: Thanks for listening. Thanks for being here and always. Thanks for being Gen X with us.
00:24:46 Dwayne: We’ll see you next week.
00:24:48 Heather: Okay, bye.
00:00:00 Dwayne: Welcome back to whatever. I’m Dwayne
00:00:01 Heather: and I’m Heather. And today we’re doing something we’ve been talking about for a while now. It’s a little bit different, but we think you’ll enjoy it. Today we’re talking about some of the things that get under our skin as Gen X adults living in twenty twenty six, pet peeves, rants and raves, the stuff that makes you wonder what happened to basic human decency. And it’s gonna get a little ranty.
00:00:25 Dwayne: But before we get into all that, we’d like to remind you to subscribe so you never miss an episode. And if you’d like to support the show, there’s plenty of info on our website. You’ll find links to all that in the show notes or at whatever dot com. Yeah. So let’s just get into it, shall we?
00:00:40 Heather: Sure. Whatever.
00:00:42 Dwayne: First up, whatever happened to Trying? So what I mean by this is kids don’t try anymore. They don’t experiment. They don’t tinker.
00:00:52 Heather: They don’t try to figure things out.
00:00:53 Dwayne: Right. Everything has to be taught explicitly, step by step. And if something doesn’t work on the first try, they’re done.
00:01:00 Heather: Or they ridicule.
00:01:01 Dwayne: It. Yeah. If they don’t understand something, instead of being curious about it, they just, I don’t know, mock it. That’s stupid. That doesn’t work. Move on.
00:01:09 Heather: I watched a kid try to use a new thing once. I won’t say what it was, but it didn’t work immediately. And instead of trying a different approach, they just said this is broken and gave up. It didn’t even occur to them to troubleshoot it.
00:01:22 Dwayne: Right? We grew up having.
00:01:23 Dwayne: To figure things out. My first computer didn’t come with instructions. You had to read the manual.
00:01:29 Heather: Wait! You actually read a manual?
00:01:31 Dwayne: I did, I did. Well, you had to experiment. Hell, I had to learn how to write computer programs to make that thing do anything other than give me a blinking cursor. You had to try things and see what happened.
00:01:42 Heather: What about VCRs? Those things were impossible to set up.
00:01:47 Dwayne: Well, not impossible, but certainly not easy. You had to read the instructions. You had to problem solve. And if you couldn’t figure it out, you ask someone, but you still tried. And you usually didn’t stop trying until you figured it out.
00:01:59 Heather: And now kids expect everything to work instantly, so if it doesn’t, it’s broken or it’s stupid.
00:02:06 Dwayne: Yeah. There’s like no curiosity. No. I wonder what happens if no trial and error, just immediate dismissal.
00:02:13 Heather: I think it’s because they’ve grown up with everything being so intuitive apps, touch screens, everything’s designed to be frictionless. So when something requires actual effort to understand, they just reject it.
00:02:27 Dwayne: But you learn by doing stuff.
00:02:28 Heather: But I blame Apple for this because they’ve made our computers where you just plug them in and they work.
00:02:36 Dwayne: Everything just works.
00:02:37 Heather: No thinking required. And to this day, I just want my shit to work. And that’s why I married a computer geek. He does my bidding.
00:02:44 Dwayne: I learned by breaking things and then fixing them, by trying something that doesn’t work and adjusting. That’s just how you develop problem solving skills.
00:02:53 Heather: And now?
00:02:54 Dwayne: And now they’re going to be adults who can’t troubleshoot anything, can’t figure out how things work, who just. I don’t know, panic and I’ve seen that.
00:03:01 Heather: Or worse, they’ll ridicule anyone who does know things about how things work. Like that’s old. That’s not how we do it now. But let’s remember, there’s always more than one way to solve a problem.
00:03:13 Dwayne: I’ve actually had younger folks make fun of me for knowing how to change the oil in a car, like I was from the past, and ignorant for not paying someone else to do it. That’s a skill and a really basic one at that. That’s knowing how your stuff works.
00:03:26 Heather: And it matters. I didn’t realize how easy it is to change oil until just last weekend.
00:03:31 Dwayne: Right?
00:03:32 Heather: Understanding the systems around you, how technology works, how basic repairs work. That’s independence.
00:03:39 Dwayne: And we’re raising a generation that really has none of it. Everything’s handed to them. And if it breaks, you just throw it away. It’s disposable. You get a new one.
00:03:47 Heather: And we’re kind of to blame for that. Yeah. You know.
00:03:52 Dwayne: Well, we like our things to be easy.
00:03:54 Heather: True. Instead of trying to fix it.
00:03:57 Dwayne: Instead of trying, period, We just want something new. Okay, moving on, let’s talk about the complete and utter lack of etiquette in society in general. Let’s talk about introducing people. You know how to do this, right? You’re with someone, you see a friend, you introduce them to each other.
00:04:19 Heather: Well, you’d think you would do that.
00:04:21 Dwayne: Person A walks up, you say, hey, this is my friend and you give her your name and you don’t leave her standing there like a ghost. You don’t ignore her. You include her in the conversation.
00:04:31 Heather: What about Speakerphones in public? I hate that, and they’re never quiet about it. Like, let’s let the entire store know your business.
00:04:39 Dwayne: Oh, man, you’re in a coffee shop. Someone’s on speakerphone having a full conversation loudly, like they’re alone in their house.
00:04:46 Heather: Zero awareness and zero shame.
00:04:48 Dwayne: Or you’re at the beach or on the subway and people have to blast their Bluetooth speakers. Like, I really didn’t come out to the beach to hear Morgan Wallen.
00:04:58 Heather: Or just basic consideration. If you’re old and can’t hold the phone to your ear. Fine. I totally get that. But these are people just choosing to broadcast their conversations to everyone around them.
00:05:11 Dwayne: Now, speaking of older folks, elderly person gets on a bus. There’s no seats left. You stand up, you give up your seat. Pregnant woman gets on. Same thing. You don’t make him ask. You don’t sit there wondering if they need it.
00:05:24 Heather: I remember just a couple weeks ago, we were on the train and saw the exact same thing. An old witch. It was kind of irritating because the older man sat down and left his wife standing in the aisle.
00:05:38 Dwayne: Yeah.
00:05:40 Heather: So when was the last time you saw that happen?
00:05:42 Speaker 4: Oh God, I. Besides that.
00:05:43 Dwayne: Hardly ever in the US in the last five to ten years for certain.
00:05:48 Heather: Yeah, we’ve lost it. The basic understanding that other people exist and sometimes their comfort matters more than your own comfort.
00:05:56 Dwayne: It’s like there’s no social glue anymore. We’re all strangers living on top of each other and acting like we’re alone.
00:06:06 Heather: Okay, let’s move on. Here’s one that drives me nuts. People who insist on brand name everything and treat it like a personality trait.
00:06:15 Speaker 4: What do you mean?
00:06:16 Heather: They’ll spend three times as much money simply for a brand name when the generic version is the exact same product. And when you mention that they get defensive about it like you’ve insulted their entire character.
00:06:30 Speaker 4: Like.
00:06:31 Dwayne: It’s become an identity thing.
00:06:32 Heather: Completely. It used to be that you bought what was good. Now you buy what signals something about who you are. And God forbid you use a different brand. Suddenly your lower class or you don’t understand quality. Or even worse, you dare shop at someplace like Aldi, where ninety percent of the goods are their store brand and not some name brand. I’ve literally had people tell me it’s garbage when I personally prefer it. There’s nothing wrong with saving a little money. And if you don’t think it’s all made in the same factory with just different labels put on it. No, I don’t know what to tell you.
00:07:11 Dwayne: It’s exhausting.
00:07:13 Heather: It is. I think this started with advertising. We grew up with MTV and marketing that was designed to make us feel like brands are cool. Saturday morning morning cartoons were filled with commercials for toys that did not work. The way they were shown on TV.
00:07:31 Dwayne: Never did, never did.
00:07:32 Heather: At some point, I think we were supposed to get past that, recognize it for what it was. But people haven’t. They’ve just gone deeper with it.
00:07:41 Dwayne: And with social media influencers, everything. They’ll do their best to recruit you into their brand loyalty. You buy something different and they need to explain why you’re wrong.
00:07:51 Heather: You’re not wrong. You just bought a different thing. And that’s allowed and perfectly acceptable.
00:08:00 Dwayne: You’re right, this has gotten kind of ranty. But anyway, have you noticed that social media has turned everyone into an expert on everything?
00:08:09 Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:08:09 Heather: And a lot of people don’t do any research and quite frankly, don’t know how.
00:08:14 Speaker 4: To.
00:08:14 Heather: Do simple research.
00:08:15 Dwayne: Someone reads a headline, doesn’t click the article, doesn’t fact check immediately, has an opinion, strong opinions, and they’ll argue with you about it even when you show them they’re wrong. Sometimes by having them read the article that was linked there.
00:08:30 Heather: And then they’ll start backpedaling real quick.
00:08:32 Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
00:08:33 Heather: And when you prove them wrong, they just move the goalposts. Yep. It’s like, well, that’s what I heard. Or I’m just saying what I think.
00:08:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn’t.
00:08:41 Dwayne: Think you reacted to a headline and you showed us all how you.
00:08:44 Speaker 4: Feel.
00:08:45 Heather: Yeah. And okay, well, those are opinions, not facts.
00:08:48 Speaker 4: Yep.
00:08:49 Heather: It’s like people think opinions are facts these days.
00:08:53 Dwayne: That’s kind of what they’ve been taught by the media.
00:08:55 Heather: Old media does this too, by the way. This isn’t just TikTok or Twitter. Cable news has been doing this for like thirty years. They just make it sound more official because, well, it’s on cable news.
00:09:07 Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:09:08 Dwayne: The difference is the old media at least had some editorial standards. Sometimes. Occasionally. Now it’s the Wild West. Everyone’s publishing everything. Nobody fact checks their own stuff before they hit send.
00:09:20 Heather: Either I’ll see someone share a story about something that’s clearly wrong, and I’ll ask him, did you check this or even consider that? And they’ll say, no, but and I’m like, why do you have an opinion about something you didn’t even bother to verify?
00:09:35 Speaker 4: Well, because it feels.
00:09:37 Dwayne: True to them. It confirms what they already believe. The research part that’s extra. And ain’t nobody got time for that.
00:09:43 Heather: For real? I spent twenty minutes the other day looking up something that seemed off in a post that someone had shared. Turned out the whole thing was from a satire website.
00:09:52 Speaker 4: Oh God.
00:09:53 Heather: Yeah, the person had just shared it as straight fact. And when I pointed that out, they just said, oh, well, it should be true.
00:10:00 Speaker 4: It should be true. So just believe it.
00:10:03 Heather: Just because you think it should be true doesn’t mean it is true.
00:10:06 Speaker 4: Exactly.
00:10:07 Dwayne: That’s really the core problem. People aren’t interested in what’s really true. They’re interested in what’s useful to their worldview. Truth is secondary.
00:10:17 Heather: Okay, we need to move on. Because my blood pressure is rising and it’s out of control. We said we weren’t going to get political. Yet here we are.
00:10:27 Speaker 4: Here we are.
00:10:28 Heather: Here we are.
00:10:32 Dwayne: Okay, I’m going to say something that’s going to sound elitist and I don’t care. But here goes. Words mean things and spelling and grammar matter.
00:10:43 Heather: Oh, Lord, here we go.
00:10:44 Dwayne: No, wait. Not for snobbish reasons, because it’s like the foundation of communication. You can’t think clearly if you can’t write clearly.
00:10:53 Heather: Yeah, I’m actually going to agree because you can’t write clearly if you don’t know or understand the rules.
00:10:59 Dwayne: We grew up being taught how to spell, how to punctuate. It mattered in school. Now nobody cares. People write like they’re texting their mom.
00:11:07 Heather: You are. Instead of y o u apostrophe r e t h e I r when they mean t h e r e. These aren’t small mistakes. They mean completely different things. And it’s a breakdown in the basic infrastructure of communication. I will not like a post if you can not use grammar correctly.
00:11:30 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely.
00:11:31 Dwayne: I see it in emails from professionals. I see it on resumes, things that are supposed to make a good impression, and they’re full of errors. Things that would have given you a C in tenth grade, right?
00:11:41 Heather: It’s all laziness. Which brings us back to whatever happened to trying?
00:11:45 Speaker 4: Exactly.
00:11:46 Dwayne: If you’re writing something, take two seconds to proofread. Make sure you know the difference between it’s and I t apostrophe s is that if you start your sentence with I seen, I’m going to immediately know it’s not the inside of a book.
00:12:02 Heather: For real. For real. The argument I always hear is, you know what I mean? Yeah, fine, I did, I get it, I know what you mean. But that doesn’t mean you should have written it that way. Hell, our kids don’t even like it when we type. Oh, okay. It must be written. Okay. A why? Why? And what if you hit them with a K? You’ll get a response, a potassium.
00:12:28 Dwayne: Uh, it’s just it’s really, it’s just that same laziness we’re seeing everywhere. Everywhere else. Do the minimum. Don’t put in the effort. Just hope people figure it out. It is no way to go through life. No. People get mad about fictional characters now.
00:12:47 Heather: Oh, man.
00:12:47 Dwayne: Someone on television does something morally questionable and people write angry tweets at the actor, not the show. The actor.
00:12:56 Heather: As if the actor is actually the character.
00:13:00 Dwayne: As if the actor personally wronged them. There’s no separation. It’s all collapsed into one thing.
00:13:06 Heather: And it goes way beyond that. People get triggered by plot points like, I can’t believe the show did that. As if a show, a fictional story with actors, owes them anything. Sitcoms from the nineties get judged like they were written for audiences today. What? It’s annoying.
00:13:26 Dwayne: The outrage is ridiculous. It’s. It’s for other people to see, too. Look how offended I am. Look how much I care about this issue. But they only care because something happened on a TV show.
00:13:36 Heather: Right? It’s. It doesn’t even matter. I had someone get upset with me because a character in a book I mentioned was doing something they didn’t approve of, not me as a character.
00:13:47 Dwayne: And they wanted you to what? Denounce the book. Apologize.
00:13:50 Heather: Yeah, yeah. Basically. Yeah. People just cannot separate fiction from nonfiction anymore.
00:13:56 Dwayne: That’s the world now. You can’t like something without endorsing every single aspect of it. You can’t watch a TV show with a villain without people thinking you support villainy. You can’t listen to an artist without thinking that how they feel about a particular part of the world is an endorsement of exactly. That’s how you feel too, right?
00:14:16 Heather: Can’t we just enjoy a movie simply for enjoying a movie, or enjoying a book, or enjoying a music?
00:14:24 Dwayne: It is so exhausting. And you know, here’s the thing Gen X should know better. We grew up with war movies where people died, action films where heroes did morally ambiguous things. We understood that stories aren’t documentaries. Fiction explores ideas, sometimes really dark ideas.
00:14:43 Heather: Yeah. And we got that fiction was a place to work through stuff, right?
00:14:47 Dwayne: Now everyone’s treating stories like they’re endorsements. If you engage with a story, you’re personally responsible for defending every choice in it.
00:14:55 Heather: I think it comes from people not having anything else to do. Maybe they’re bored. They see something online that upsets them, and now they suddenly have a purpose in life. They’re fighting the good fight against a TV show.
00:15:13 Dwayne: Okay, let’s move on.
00:15:15 Heather: Let’s.
00:15:16 Dwayne: Can we just let kids be kids, but also provide some communal parenting and order? This is a complicated one because there’s two sides to it, and they’re both true.
00:15:27 Heather: And it’s a very, very fine line. So side one, you’ve got kids need to be kids. We were left to do things on our own for hours at a time as young kids and teens. And we very seldom had a formal structure to things around us. We just did what we wanted, right?
00:15:46 Dwayne: Kids need to play to get bored, to figure out things, to mimic things, to run around and scrape their knees and learn that the world doesn’t end if they do.
00:15:55 Heather: And to have an imagination.
00:15:56 Dwayne: Yeah.
00:15:57 Heather: But then there’s the other side. Kids hanging out in public spaces have to respect other people.
00:16:04 Dwayne: Yeah. You can’t just let your kids run wild through the grocery store while you shop. You can’t have them screaming in a restaurant that affects everyone else.
00:16:12 Heather: Yeah. And I see parents now who seem terrified of their kids being around other adults at all. Like we’re all pedophiles.
00:16:19 Dwayne: Yeah, it swung too far the other way. You know, kids used to be able to congregate. A group of teenagers could hang out on a street corner or in a parking lot, and adults would tell them to move along if they got rowdy. But now, if a group of kids gathers anywhere. Yeah, people just assume the worst and call the cops.
00:16:35 Heather: Yeah. There’s just no space for kids to be just kids.
00:16:38 Dwayne: Yeah. I think it’s because the older generations, ours included, didn’t have the tools to just let things be. We were raised on on Stranger Danger and a lot of media influence, especially once the twenty four hour news cycles hit. We think today Every gathering of youth is either a gang or a predator situation.
00:16:59 Heather: But also, I mean, some of it’s kind of valid. Kids today are meaner because they can be anonymous and they have hardly ever to face any consequences. True, there’s cyber bullying, which is a huge issue. Yeah. But there’s also a lot more stuff to worry about.
00:17:18 Dwayne: Yeah there is, but we’ve swung from one extreme to another. We’re now the generation that hovers that micromanages their kids every interaction.
00:17:27 Heather: I don’t know how we swung that far away.
00:17:30 Dwayne: I have no clue.
00:17:31 Heather: We did this to ourselves. Our generation is to blame. And now those kids grow up not knowing how to handle boredom. Yeah. Not knowing how to resolve conflict with peers. Not knowing how to just exist with other people.
00:17:46 Dwayne: Playgrounds are another example. We’ve made them so safe, so monitored that they’re almost boring. No kids going to get hurt, but they’re also not learning anything by taking risks, not figuring things out like what they should and should not do.
00:18:01 Heather: Kind of like the German ones where they’re meant for you to get hurt.
00:18:07 Dwayne: It seems like it.
00:18:08 Heather: Let the kids go and break an arm or leg. It’s fine. They’ll be fine.
00:18:12 Dwayne: They learn from that.
00:18:13 Heather: They do.
00:18:14 Dwayne: You don’t jump from really high things.
00:18:15 Heather: We did too.
00:18:17 Dwayne: Absolutely.
00:18:17 Heather: We absolutely learned from that. And disrespect. Some kids are really disrespectful to adults now because no one’s ever told them not to be.
00:18:27 Dwayne: This is true. I was always around adults as a kid a lot, but I was terrified of them. Not in a traumatized way. Right? I was just aware that if I was rude, there would be consequences, right? Not violence, just social consequences. Other adults would say something. My parents would hear about it. Now nothing happens and the parents are going to take your side anyway, right?
00:18:48 Heather: I was terrified of being called to the principal’s office or just getting in trouble in general.
00:18:54 Speaker 5: Uh, yeah.
00:18:55 Heather: But now some of these kids are running the show and their parents are just letting it happen.
00:19:00 Dwayne: There was when I was a kid, if I got called to the principal’s office, there was never even the thought for a millisecond that my parents would go in there and tell the principal that they were wrong.
00:19:12 Heather: Oh, no.
00:19:13 Dwayne: It was always fully understood that I was wrong. And what the principal said was.
00:19:18 Heather: And now if the kid gets called to the principal’s office, the parents are like, oh, my kid can never do any wrong. It wasn’t them. It couldn’t be them. My kid’s an angel. Yeah. Sorry. Your kid’s a devil. But is that dangerous? Or is it independence?
00:19:33 Dwayne: Yeah, I don’t know anymore. I mean, we can’t really figure out where that line is. Like you said, it’s really fine. So we either micromanage everything or we let them roam free like wildcats.
00:19:42 Heather: There’s got to be a there’s got to be a middle ground between those two.
00:19:45 Dwayne: Yeah, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Kids need structure and freedom. They. They need to be protected. But they also need to be allowed to make mistakes. We’ve just kind of lost the ability to calibrate that. We mentioned allowing kids to be bored. Here’s what I think is happening. Kids today, people today can’t handle boredom anymore.
00:20:09 Heather: They need constant stimulation.
00:20:11 Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:20:12 Dwayne: And so you’re either on their phones or they’re acting out to get a get attention. There’s like no middle ground of just being bored and working through it.
00:20:20 Heather: I mean, I’ve, I’ve caught myself doing that, you know, just doom scrolling on the phone. And it’s.
00:20:25 Speaker 5: Because we have.
00:20:26 Heather: Hours doing it. And I’m like, oh my God, why am I why? Yeah, what? What am I doing? Gotta do something else. But boredom also, you know, it used to be where creativity came from.
00:20:38 Speaker 5: Exactly.
00:20:39 Dwayne: You’re bored, so you figure out something to do. You build something, you read a book, you get into trouble, but you learned from it.
00:20:48 Heather: Now we’re just doing the dreaded doom scrolling. Though I will say I’ve caught myself doing that. and it has led to more creativity recently.
00:20:59 Dwayne: Recently. Recently, because we are at that point in our lives where we’re we’ve experienced the boredom before and the goodness that can come from it and are learning to focus our attention in other places.
00:21:11 Heather: It’s kind of fun.
00:21:12 Dwayne: This podcast is kind of one of those things, right? Is what we’re not.
00:21:17 Heather: Doing it obviously, to make tons of money. We’re doing it because it’s fun.
00:21:21 Dwayne: But kids today and the younger generations today, they just scroll their feed. And if that stopped working, they feel like a need to escalate. They got to do something more dramatic, something to get that dopamine hit. And I think maybe this is why some of the meanness exists. These kids aren’t getting entertainment from normal social interactions. So they create drama. They bully someone online because it’s engaging.
00:21:41 Heather: Yeah, the bullying online is annoying, and I’ve noticed it in adults, too. People can’t just have a quiet evening anymore. Everything has to be stimulating. Everything has to be new.
00:21:52 Dwayne: Yeah, well, we created the tools that make boredom unbearable. And now we’re surprised that people can’t sit with it anymore.
00:21:58 Heather: Pharrell. Yeah.
00:22:04 Dwayne: Okay. Last one. People don’t read anymore. And I don’t mean books, though. That too. I mean, they don’t read carefully. They skim, they skim. They read headlines. They read the first sentence of an article. They see a quote taken out of context, and that becomes their entire understanding of something.
00:22:21 Heather: And we’re just making it easier for them to do that. Everything’s designed for quick consumption.
00:22:26 Dwayne: Social media, news, everything. I feel like I’m repeating myself here, that social media might be a little bit on the evil side, and that really is my opinion on it. Give me the information in a headline, a tweet, a ten second video. Don’t make me think is not a way to go through life.
00:22:41 Heather: And then people have these strong opinions based on this information that they haven’t actually processed. They’ve only processed the headline.
00:22:49 Dwayne: They haven’t actually thought about it. They’ve just reacted to it.
00:22:53 Heather: Right. I noticed this in arguments too. Now someone will make a point and instead of engaging with what they actually said, people argue with what they thought they said. Like I said earlier, or like what Duane said earlier. Words mean something. People aren’t reading carefully. They’re just firing off comments. You can’t have a conversation with that. You cannot move forward.
00:23:18 Dwayne: Because no one’s actually trying to understand. They’re just waiting for their turn to talk.
00:23:23 Heather: It’s the death of nuance, completely.
00:23:25 Dwayne: Nothing is complicated anymore. Everything’s black or white. Hero or villain. Right or wrong, there’s no space for, well, it’s complicated.
00:23:32 Heather: Because complicated requires reading and thinking and processing. And we’ve decided that takes too much effort.
00:23:40 Dwayne: There it is. We’re right back where we started. Nobody’s trying. And I don’t know how you fix that.
00:23:52 Heather: So we’ve spent about thirty minutes, basically complaining about the state of the world.
00:23:57 Dwayne: Yeah we did. And if you’ve got something to say, a rant, a rave, a hot take on whatever we talked about today, send us a voice message. Head over to our website, leave us a comment or voice message. We listen to every single one.
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00:24:42 Heather: Thanks for listening. Thanks for being here and always. Thanks for being Gen X with us.
00:24:46 Dwayne: We’ll see you next week.
00:24:48 Heather: Okay, bye.
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